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    Greets mate, I hear guano is sometimes a tad hot.

    Imho, Get BioCanna or EarthJuice, if you want to go organic, since their nutes are heavily chelated and in the case of atleast BioCanna, the nutrients supposedly don't take much time to get absorbed by the plant. Also, BioCanna nutes are absorbed up to pH 7.0, which gives you more headspace and makes it generally easier to use. BioCanna claims you do not need to pH your water when you use BioCanna Flores since it acidifies the water and has buffering agents, but you would need to let the mixture sit a few hours (3-4? not more or the mixture will rot) for the buffers to do their job.

    I would imagine you would need to buy both Veg and Flowering bottles. Use the veg till week 3-4 and then switch to the flowering.
    This is because autoflowers still do quite a bit of "veg" grow during the first few weeks of flowering and don't need all that extra P/K until the profuse flowering begins imho. You can also instead of using either of any start mixing them as of week 3 and gradually phase out the veg for the flowering. In any case the plants will tell you what they need.

    Using molasses will boost the plant performance overall, and will insure than the microherd is lively enough to feed the plant roots and regulate the microenvironment near the roots, so by all means do use it. Make sure you use "blackstrap" molasses since they are the most beneficial, and I hear carob molasses is one of the best kind to use (due to high concentration of micro nutes).

    On the other hand, if you are not interested in only using organics, you can go back to the canna terra line which is chemical (and theres nothing wrong with that).

    Cheers and goodluck!

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    I just checked that site, if you notice the Guano line only has P in it, no N and no K. I would only use it as an additive, and in that case, you would also need to buy the Meta-K line, and add a mixture of both P and K to your bloom bottle.

    However, the "Sugar Peak Grand Finale" has both P and K in it, so you would best use that as a P/K additive.

    As for a Grow and Flower bottle, there are many options. Checkout the NPK ratios and see whats best for you.

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    C.E., Thank you SO much for all that info! That helps me tremendously! I think I'm gonna stick with the Canna line since I'm used to it. So, If I use the molasses with the bio canna veg and flores I should be alright. Just watch the plants to see what they need. Use the "Veg" for week 3-4 and then Flores then would I still be able to finish with that Earth Juice "Sugar Peak Grand Finale"? Or just stick with the Canna products? Sorry to keep adding questions! Really the only thing I'm wondering now is do I finish with the Earth Juice or just stick to the Canna products? Thanks again for all that info man you really helped me out!! As soon as they pop up I will add pics so you can see them grow! Again, I really appreciate the help man!!

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    I was just going through my boxes, we recently moved so most my grow stuff was packed away. I found my Canna Terra Flores 2.1-1.7-3.2 and I forgot I had the Canna PK 13/14 for the finish. Would I be o.k. with these and just get the Canna Terra Veg? Also, I bought these in the Summer of 2009... Will they be alright to use? I don't see any expiration date... Just a production date. Or should I buy new ones? I don't want to be counter productive and give them something that is no longer good for them or may poison them. It would be cool if I could use these and just have to buy the Veg. I'm a little short on cash at the moment. Let me know what you think. Thanks again!!!

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    O.k. now, after reading up on the BioCanna products I'm thinking I want to get all 3 and use them. The BioVeg, Flores, and Boost. Here's a link to a web site in Michigan I found...

    http://homeharvest.com/organiccannanutrients.htm

    Michigan is fairly close to West Virginia and I'm thinking I would get it quicker. I'm just wondering if the prices are o.k. going to look at more sites and compare. I like what I read about them. It would probably cost me between $60-$80 bucks depending on how much shipping is. I'm sure it's worth it!

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    The biocanna is good, as is the chemical terra line. If you are low on cash you can probably skip getting the boost.

    I think you would need to start feeding with the veg nutes as of week 2 and continue through to week 4. Then you should probably start applying the flores nutes along with the boost and molasses. I'm not sure if you would need PK13/14 but some say it helps to use it along with boost.
    Please do some research and ask for others advice since I'm not a soil expert by any means.
    Goodluck !

    ps: I think the canna site states the shelf-life. I would imagine the chemical nutes should last for a few years. You can always email them and ask, they will reply quite fast. Just make sure you don't mention anything about cannabis, and they will be happy to reply and help. If they are still okay then just get the terra veg bottle and save yourself some cash for now, until you finish them.

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    Sweet. I'll contact Canna and ask them about the stuff I have. I will continue to do research. I really appreciate all your help man! Soon as they are out of the ground I'll take pics and post 'em. So you are more of a Hydro guy then? I would imagine Molasses wouldn't do any good in a hydro grow right? Since it's more for soil? Just a random question. Hydros have always intrigued me but a bit out of my league. Or maybe i'm wrong lol Do you have to be more of an expert to grow hydro?

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    Not at all !
    You can grow in coco (hand watered) and it is essentially hydro and not difficult at all. All you would need is coco a/b and PK13/14 during flowering (and maybe a bottle of micronutrients and perhaps epsom salts if you are using very soft water or RO). You treat it like soil for the first few days (watering when surface gets dry) and when the root system gets established you water it one to two times a day to keep it really wet depending on how much your plants thirst, and give feedings with every watering (I start from nutrients from day 1, but at low concentration). The only downside is that coco/hydro is a bit more sensitive and you would need to have everything dialed in as far as nutes concentration and pH go.

    As for molasses, the only way it would help in hydro would be with the micro nutrients it contains. Given the stink it produces in hydro systems I'd say it aint exactly worth it.

    Do your research and see what fits you best,
    Goodluck man !

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    Home Harvest is kind of expensive, and if I remember correctly, had high shipping rates. Cheapest I've found is https://www.plantlightinghydroponics.com. They are in Ohio and I usually get my orders UPS ground in 2 days to TN. Last time I checked they had the cheapest shipping rates.

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    O.k. now, after reading up on the BioCanna products I'm thinking I want to get all 3 and use them. The BioVeg, Flores, and Boost. Here's a link to a web site in Michigan I found...

    http://homeharvest.com/organiccannanutrients.htm

    Michigan is fairly close to West Virginia and I'm thinking I would get it quicker. I'm just wondering if the prices are o.k. going to look at more sites and compare. I like what I read about them. It would probably cost me between $60-$80 bucks depending on how much shipping is. I'm sure it's worth it!
    Weed gets you through times of no money better than money gets you through times of no weed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C.E View Post
    Not at all !
    You can grow in coco (hand watered) and it is essentially hydro and not difficult at all. All you would need is coco a/b and PK13/14 during flowering (and maybe a bottle of micronutrients and perhaps epsom salts if you are using very soft water or RO). You treat it like soil for the first few days (watering when surface gets dry) and when the root system gets established you water it one to two times a day to keep it really wet depending on how much your plants thirst, and give feedings with every watering (I start from nutrients from day 1, but at low concentration). The only downside is that coco/hydro is a bit more sensitive and you would need to have everything dialed in as far as nutes concentration and pH go.

    As for molasses, the only way it would help in hydro would be with the micro nutrients it contains. Given the stink it produces in hydro systems I'd say it aint exactly worth it.

    Do your research and see what fits you best,
    Goodluck man !
    Sounds good! I've read about coco lots of times. I want to try that sometime. I just need to read up on PH and nutes. The Girls (hopefully!) came out of the soil today! 4 of them came out together at first then the other two within a few hours of each other. I'm so excited. I wasn't expecting them to come out as soon as they did. I'm very optimistic!

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