Can you Clone Auto's ?

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24hrs

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On the last auto grow I cut a few clones from a 5 week old auto Jock Horror , rooted them by soaking the stalks for 4 days in Willow water/ seaweed and rubbed aloe Vera on the stalk just before placing them in soil for rooting.

11 days later





Next I let them grow using 24hrs On lighting







11 weeks I harvested the right side clone cured it dried it for storage its weight came to 1.85 Oz




Then I transplanted the left clone into a 15g pot and left it to flower












This 2nd Clone is over 3 Oz and could reach a 1/4 lb by harvest time in approximately 2 weeks.


You can clone the slow 3 month Autos and get a decent harvest !
I am going to do it again some time for sure.


Notice the size of the Buds !


This Auto Jock Horror strain I grew was a long flowering one with the mother plants taken 16 weeks to finish and these clones 11 weeks for the 1st one , the 2nd clone is on 13 weeks so far.

Its sticky and seems to be getting thicker and thicker in crystals as time goes on.



 
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24hrs

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I used Willow water (shaved the bark then cut it all up into 2 mm sections with scissors) with squeezed aloe in it and some liquid seaweed and left the clones sit for 4 days in the mix.
Then rubbed fresh aloe vera over the stalks and planted them into soil/pots and into a improvised dome made from a 2 gallon lunch cooler with picture frame glass over it and a warm white 15w CFL bulb for lighting.

Super basic I made it up on the spot.

I cut the clones from a 5 week old Auto Jock Horror that had not flowered yet

24hrs thats really cool!!! first ive ever seen! how are you cloning? are you using a box? and your cutting at 5 weeks out of soil?
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I cut the clones from the longest lower branches on the plant , branches that started low but grew half way up the plant.

Great experiment dude this will shock a lot of people, what part of the plant did you cut the clone from?
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Corgy

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Amazing work.....thanks for posting......... Guess there is a lot of wise pseudo - punters that needs a little wising up or stand wiser these days...... Whoever started spouting the auto's-can't-be-cloned rubbish and why
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another urban legend and myth shattered.......
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KABOOOOM!

Next up, cloning some Fastbuds Six Shooters...... The 3 mothers just need 1 or 2 weeks more growth me thinks, if cloning tomato plants is anything to go by..... Into the wild blue yonder of exploration, Amundsen not Scott style I hope!

@24hrs and @HubbaBubba, did you try taking 2nd generation cuttings from a clone, I. E. getting a perpetual cycle running?

Have you noticed any difference in success rate with the cuttings based on size and age of the cuttings?

Wonder how clone quality stacks up to mother quality, should be the same, now what about yield...... mmmm, this will be interesting.........

Now, mental note, research willow water and scour the country side for willows with a rasp....... Amazing the places this hobby takes one..... :thumbsup:
 

Corgy

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so, I did
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............Willow water........and just on the off chance that there is another simpleton like myself on here.......

http://deepgreenpermaculture.com/diy-instructions/home-made-plant-rooting-hormone-willow-water/

“Willow Water” – How it Works
“Willow Water” is a homebrew plant rooting hormone that is easily made and can be used to increase the strike rate (growth of roots) of cuttings that you’re trying to propagate.

The way that it works can be attributed to two substances that can be found within theSalix (Willow) species, namely, indolebutyric acid (IBA) and Salicylic acid (SA).
Indolebutyric acid (IBA) is a plant hormone that stimulates root growth. It is present in high concentrations in the growing tips of willow branches. By using the actively growing parts of a willow branch, cutting them, and soaking them in water, you can get significant quantities of IBA to leach out into the water.

Salicylic acid (SA) (which is a chemical similar to the headache medicine Aspirin) is a plant hormone which is involved in signalling a plant’s defences, it is involved in the process of “systemic acquired resistance” (SAR) – where an attack on one part of the plant induces a resistance response to pathogens (triggers the plant’s internal defences) in other parts of the plant. It can also trigger a defence response in nearby plants by converting the salicylic acid into a volatile chemical form.

When you make willow water, both salicylic acid and IBA leach into the water, and both have a beneficial effect when used for the propagation of cuttings. One of the biggest threats to newly propagated cuttings is infection by bacteria and fungi. Salicylic acid helps plants to fight off infection, and can thus give cuttings a better chance of survival. Plants, when attacked by infectious agents, often do not produce salicylic acid quickly enough to defend themselves, so providing the acid in water can be particularly beneficial.

Willow water can be made from cuttings of any tree or shrub of the willow family, a group of plants with the scientific name of Salix. The more cuttings that are used and the longer they are soaked in water, the stronger will be the resulting willow water. Recommendations for the exact method of soaking vary. Cold water can be used, and soaking times of four or more weeks are often quoted. Other gardeners use boiling water to steep the willow twigs and soak the mixture for around 24 hours.

How to Make “Willow Water”
Here is the procedure for making willow water:
  1. Collect young first-year twigs and stems of any of willow (Salix spp.) species, these have green or yellow bark. Don’t use the older growth that has brown or gray bark.
  2. Remove all the leaves, these are not used. Don’t waste good green material though, compost the leaves or throw them in the garden as mulch.
  3. Take the twigs and cut them up into short pieces around 1" (2.5cm) long.
  4. The next step is to add the water. there are several techniques to extract the natural plant rooting hormones:
    a) Place the chopped willow twigs in a container and cover with boiling water, just like making tea, and allow the “tea” to stand overnight.
    b) Place the chopped willow twigs in a container and cover with tap water (unheated), and let it soak for several days.

  5. When finished, separate the liquid from the twigs by carefully pouring out the liquid, or pouring it through a strainer or sieve. The liquid is now ready to use for rooting cuttings. You can keep the liquid for up to two months if you put it in a jar with a tight fitting lid and keep the liquid in the refrigerator. Remember to label the jar so you remember what it is, and write down the date you brewed it up, and to aid the memory, write down the date that it should be used by, which is two months from the date it was made!
  6. To use, just pour some willow water into a small jar, and place the cuttings in there like flowers in a vase, and leave them there to soak overnight for several hours so that they take up the plant rooting hormone. Then prepare them as you would when propagating any other cuttings.
    The second way to use willow water is to use it to water the propagating medium in which you have placed cuttings. Watering your cuttings twice with willow water should be enough to help them root.
In Summary
As you can see, this is a garden potion that is really easy to brew up, and it keeps in line with the Permaculture principles of avoiding waste and caring for the Earth – no purchased synthetic chemicals, containers, it’s all natural, and best of all, free! So, next time you’re out on a hot summer’s day enjoying the shade and natural cooling provided by a majestic willow, grab a few twigs and take them home to help you in propagating plants for your garden!
 
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24hrs

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Amazing work.....thanks for posting......... Guess there is a lot of wise pseudo - punters that needs a little wising up or stand wiser these days...... Whoever started spouting the auto's-can't-be-cloned rubbish and why View attachment 522572......... View attachment 522573 another urban legend and myth shattered....... View attachment 522574 KABOOOOM!

Next up, cloning some Fastbuds Six Shooters...... The 3 mothers just need 1 or 2 weeks more growth me thinks, if cloning tomato plants is anything to go by..... Into the wild blue yonder of exploration, Amundsen not Scott style I hope!

@24hrs and @HubbaBubba, did you try taking 2nd generation cuttings from a clone, I. E. getting a perpetual cycle running?

Have you noticed any difference in success rate with the cuttings based on size and age of the cuttings?

Wonder how clone quality stacks up to mother quality, should be the same, now what about yield...... mmmm, this will be interesting.........

Now, mental note, research willow water and scour the country side for willows with a rasp....... Amazing the places this hobby takes one..... :thumbsup:
Hey corgi nice willow water write up !
I'll just clarify that I skin the willow to expose the inner bark and cut it and the twigs and stalks up as well.

I added those to a jar of boiled water which I then let sit for 4 days before soaking the clones for 4 days themselves.
To me the recommended time duration sounded to low so I extended it , with good results.

One of the clones finished early so I could not of cloned it but the other is still throwing new growth that was shaped like a elongated top at one point but was too buddy looking to clone imo.
Other plants or circumstances may allow you to clone a auto clone.
There no harm in trying !
 
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24hrs

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Northern Grower for instance cloned his auto clone

Yeah the clone was out of hand. I think I got 3rd gen clones from her. I got to breed that haze with so many things. Just because I had it around so long.

Each gen they got smaller, but give them proper conditions and they can still produce.

I just don't know how well Indy Dom clones will produce.

I attribute this clone to being large because of the haze.

Still one of my most exciting grows. Back then no one believed me. Autos don't clone :D